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Thursday, May 7, 2026

Pope Leo XIV had cordial audience with U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio

 

Pope Leo XIV shakes hands with US Secretary of State Marco Rubio on May 7, 2026Pope Leo XIV shakes hands with US Secretary of State Marco Rubio on May 7, 2026 (@Vatican Media)

Pope Leo XIV meets with US Secretary of State Marco Rubio

Pope Leo XIV holds an audience with US Secretary of State Marco Rubio in the Vatican, with discussions including countries marked by war.

Vatican News

As he arrived in Italy on Thursday, US Secretary of State Marco Rubio headed to the Vatican, where he met in the Apostolic Palace with Pope Leo XIV.

According to a communique from the Holy See Press Office, the “cordial talks” saw both states renew “the shared commitment to fostering sound bilateral relations between the Holy See and the United States of America.”

Their encounter also included an exchange of views "regarding situations on the regional and international levels, with particular attention given to countries experiencing war, political tensions and difficult humanitarian situations as well as the need to work tirelessly for peace."

Separately, the Holy See Press Office said discussions about countries enduring war included some African and Middle Eastern countries, such as Lebanon and Iran.

They also spoke about Cuba, which has seen heightened tensions with the US recently.


Secretary Rubio presents the Pope with a crystal football (@Vatican Media)

The below is attributable to Spokesperson Tommy Pigott:

Secretary of State Marco Rubio met today with His Holiness Pope Leo XIV to discuss the situation in the Middle East and topics of mutual interest in the Western Hemisphere.  The meeting underscored the strong relationship between the United States and the Holy See and their shared commitment to promoting peace and human dignity.



Wednesday, May 6, 2026

Cardinal Parolin interview ahead of Rubio visit, on peace and disarmament and German bishops

 

The Vatican Secretary of State, Cardinal Pietro Parolin, at the Augustinianum in RomeThe Vatican Secretary of State, Cardinal Pietro Parolin, at the Augustinianum in Rome 

Cardinal Parolin: Holy See’s position on peace and disarmament is firm

Cardinal Pietro Parolin responds to questions on U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio's visit to the Vatican, dialogue with U.S. President Donald Trump, and on German Bishops.

Salvatore Cernuzio – Vatican City

“Do you rely more on Rubio or on Trump?” “Me? I do not rely on anyone. I rely only on Our Lord Jesus Christ.”

Cardinal Pietro Parolin, Secretary of State, made that reply with a smile to journalists who posed the question outside the Patristic Institute Augustinianum in Rome on Wednesday evening.

They were asking again about the attacks on Pope Leo by the President of the United States, Donald Trump. “To attack him in this way or to reproach what he does seems a bit strange to me," Parolin said. 

President Trump’s remarks come just days before the Vatican audience of U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio, scheduled for tomorrow, and come after Leo XIV himself already responded last night in Castel Gandolfo.

“The Pope is the Pope”

While Cardinal Parolin is at the Augustinianum to present the book, published by the Vatican Publishing House, “Robert Francis Prevost. Free Under Grace,” he first paused to answer journalists’ questions, particularly regarding Trump’s statement that the Pope would accept that Iran could possess nuclear weapons, thus putting “in danger” thousands of Catholics.

Cardinal Parolin responds with the same words used by Leo outside Villa Barberini: “One must speak in truth.”

The Vatican Secretary of State first clarified the Holy See's position which was misrepresented, stating the U.S. President's assertion about the Holy See's stance on nuclear arms was not correct.

“Certainly," he reflected, "it is not a correct statement, in the sense that the Holy See has always worked, continues to work precisely on nuclear disarmament… it has spoken and has promoted this agreement that touches on the legitimacy of the possession of nuclear weapons.”

Therefore, he reiterated the Holy See has a “very clear” position on the matter.

The Cardinal did not enter into the merits of the repeated attacks by the President, which began on 13 April, the day of Pope Leo’s departure for Africa.

“I would not like to enter into judgments, into personal evaluations on this matter," Cardinal Parolin said, noting, "I believe that the Pope does what he must do: the Pope is the Pope.”

The meeting with Rubio

As for the Pope’s audience with Marco Rubio, who will then also meet with the Secretary of State, the Cardinal explains that first of all “we will listen to him, the initiative came from them.”

Then, he noted, “we will speak about everything that has happened in these days. We could not fail to touch on these topics.”

More generally, as always in meetings with political figures, “themes of international politics and above all conflicts” will be addressed, issues such as Latin America and probably also the question of Cuba. In short, the Cardinal explained, “all those that are the most pressing issues.”

Cardinal Parolin suggested there will be no further proposals from the Holy See on resolving the conflict in Iran, beyond those that “have always been there,” namely that "of dialogue."

“These conflicts," he continued, "cannot be resolved by force, but must be addressed and resolved through negotiation. Let it be a negotiation of good will, sincere, so that all parties can express their point of view and find points of convergence.”

The United States remain an interlocutor

The United States, Cardinal Parolin acknowledged, nevertheless remain an interlocutor.

He said, “How can one do without the United States? One cannot do without the United States. Despite some difficulties occurring, they certainly remain an interlocutor for the Holy See. Also, because they have a role in almost all the situations we are experiencing today.”

The Cardinal went on to show openness to possible “developments” in relations with the U.S. administration.

The Secretary of State emphasized that "it is premature now” to say whether there will be a phone call between the Pope and Trump.

“The Holy Father," he said, "is open to all options, he has never held back in the face of anyone. Therefore, if there were an offer or a request for a direct dialogue with President Trump, I imagine that he would have no difficulty in accepting it.”

Dialogue with the German bishops

The Vatican Secretary of State also responded to a question regarding German Bishops.

“It is premature,” the Cardinal also noted on this point, to foresee an intervention by the Holy See regarding the German Bishops on the question of blessings for same-sex couples.

At this moment, he said, there is “dialogue”: “Let us see what happens.”

The decision, Cardinal Parolin reiterated, belongs to the Pope.

“But in any case," he said, we have already for some time begun a dialogue, on this point expressing each our own points of view.”

Finally, the Secretary of State observed it could be possible “to find a composition” that gathers the different opinions also on the theme of synodality, that is, “that any decision must be in agreement with Canon Law, with the Second Vatican Council, with the tradition of the Church.”

Cardinal Parolin concluded expressing that the hope is “never to have to reach sanctions, that problems may be resolved in a peaceful manner, as should be the case in the Church.”

Tuesday, May 5, 2026

A busy week for Pope Leo XIV; on Thursday he will meet with U.S. Secretary of State, Marco Rubio

 

Pope Leo XIV and U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio Pope Leo XIV and U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio   (@Vatican Media)

Pope Leo XIV to meet U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio on May 7

Pope Leo XIV will meet U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio on May 7 at the Vatican’s Apostolic Palace. They had already met a year ago following the Mass marking the official beginning of the Pope’s pontificate.

Vatican News

At 11:30 a.m. on Thursday, May 7, Pope Leo XIV will meet with U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio in the Vatican’s Apostolic Palace. 

The Holy See Press Office confirmed the meeting after media reports had been published on Sunday. Rubio is expected to arrive at 11:15 a.m.

The U.S. Secretary of State had already met the Pope, who is originally from Chicago, on May 18, 2025, following the Mass for the beginning of his Petrine ministry. U.S. Vice President JD Vance also greeted the Pope during the same event.

On the day following that Mass, on May 19, 2025, a bilateral meeting took place between Pope Leo XIV and both Vance and Rubio.

Meeting with Polish PM

On Thursday 7, the same morning of his meeting with the U.S. delegation, the Pope will also meet the Prime Minister of Poland, Donald Tusk.

According to a statement released by the Holy See Press Office, the audience will take place at 9:00 a.m. 

Monday, May 19, 2025

Pope Leo XIV meets with JD & Usha Vance, Marco Rubio on Sunday

 

Pope Leo XIV met with US Vice President J.D. Vance and his wife Usha Vance in the Apostolic PalacePope Leo XIV met with US Vice President J.D. Vance and his wife Usha Vance in the Apostolic Palace  (@Vatican Media)

Pope Leo XIV meets with US Vice President Vance

Pope Leo XIV holds a private audience with US Vice President J.D. Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who attended the Inauguration Mass of his pontificate on Sunday.

By Vatican News

The Holy See Press Office announced that Pope Leo XIV met with the Vice President of the United States of America, James David Vance, on Monday morning. The US Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, and their wives were also present at the audience.

The US Vice President and Secretary of State represented the United States at the Pope’s Mass of Inauguration of his Petrine Ministry on Sunday morning in St. Peter’s Square.

After the private audience with the American-born Pope, Mr. Vance met with Archbishop Paul Richard Gallagher, Secretary for Relations with States and International Organizations.

During the “cordial” talks in the Secretariat of State, Mr. Vance and Archbishop Gallagher reiterated the good bilateral relations between the Holy See and the United States.

They also discussed the collaboration between the Church and the US government, along with several matters “of special relevance to ecclesial life and religious freedom.”

“Finally, there was an exchange of views on some current international issues, during which hope was expressed that humanitarian law and international law be respected in areas of conflict and that there be a negotiated solution between the parties involved,” noted the Holy See Press Office.

Friday, May 16, 2025

U.S. VP and Sect'y of State going to inaugural Mass of Pope Leo XIV

 

Vance, Rubio to attend Pope Leo XIV’s inaugural Mass



U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Vice President JD Vance speak at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building in Washington Jan. 21, 2025. The two leaders, who are Catholic, will attend the inaugural Mass of Pope Leo XIV on May 18, 2025, the vice president's office said. (OSV News photo/Kevin Lamarque, Reuters)


WASHINGTON (OSV News) — Both Vice President JD Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio will attend the inaugural Mass of Pope Leo XIV on May 18, the vice president’s office said. Pope Leo is the first U.S.-born pope. 

The two officials, both Catholic, will be joined by their respective spouses, second lady Usha Vance and Jeanette Rubio, in the U.S. delegation to the Mass for the inauguration of the pope’s Petrine ministry in St. Peter’s Square.

Vance — the second Catholic to hold the vice presidency, preceded only by former President Joe Biden — was in Vatican City in April, where he met with Pope Francis on Easter, the final full day of the late pope’s life.

Past history on immigration stance

In February, Pope Francis released a letter to the U.S. bishops, Catholics and all people of goodwill, responding to “the major crisis that is taking place in the United States” created by President Donald Trump’s plans to target the country’s immigrants who lack legal authorization to live and work in the U.S. for mass deportation. Among those targeted are more than 10 million Christians, a majority of whom are Catholic. 

In that letter, Pope Francis appeared to rebuke the vice president’s invocation of the Catholic theological concept of the “ordo amoris” (the order of love or charity) to justify Trump’s immigration policy actions. The future Pope Leo, then Cardinal Robert Francis Prevost, appeared to concur with the pope in a February post on X, when he shared an opinion piece from the National Catholic Reporter titled “JD Vance is wrong: Jesus doesn’t ask us to rank our love for others.”

Vance recently acknowledged the potential for both conflict and common ground with Pope Leo, noting the Catholic Church is “about the saving of souls” and its teachings do not fit neatly with 2025 American politics.

Vance comments

“There are a lot of views the Catholic leadership holds that are, you know, you might consider on the right side of the spectrum. There are a lot of views they’re going to hold that might be more traditionally on the left side of the spectrum. And then there are a lot of views that don’t map easily onto politics at all,” he said in an interview May 9 with conservative talk host Hugh Hewitt. 

“I’m sure he’s going to say a lot of things that I love. I’m sure he’ll say some things that I disagree with, but I’ll continue to pray for him and the church despite it all and through it all, and that’ll be the way that I handle it,” Vance said.

Trump, who attended Pope Francis’ funeral April 26 and caused some controversy in May with an AI-generated image of himself as pope posted to the White House’s X account, called the first American pope “a great honor for our country.” The president told Fox News host Sean Hannity recently that Pope Leo was a “surprise choice” and he would like to speak with the pope about immigration. 

Trump, who has previously mused about the idea of seeking a third term despite Constitutional term limits, recently said he would not do so, setting the stage for both Vance and Rubio to be increasingly seen as potential contenders for the GOP nomination in 2028. Both Catholic leaders say they are friends, and Vance has downplayed discussion of any rivalry between them in recent comments.

Kate Scanlon is a national reporter for OSV News covering Washington. Follow her on X @kgscanlon. OSV News national news editor Peter Jesserer Smith contributed to this report.

Tuesday, January 21, 2025

Catholics and the 2nd Trump Presidency; what to expect

 

What Can Catholics Expect From Trump 2.0?

Looking ahead, as Donald Trump returns to the White House.





Donald Trump’s election as the 47th president of the United States last November has been dubbed the greatest comeback in American political history.

Consider the state of Trump’s political fortunes four short Januarys ago. Following a bitter defeat in 2020 and the ensuing riot at the U.S. Capitol, Trump was denounced by many, including in his own party.

But in the proceeding years, Trump regained the trust of voters while fending off a highly coordinated opposition. He even literally dodged a bullet. And on Jan. 6, his opponent, Vice President Kamala Harris, ratified his victory. Talk about a comeback.


JD Vance

Age: 40

Office: Vice President

Fast facts: JD Vance, the second Catholic vice president in the nation’s history, converted to the Catholic faith in August 2019, citing the works of St. Augustine and French philosopher René Girard as instrumental to his conversion. Vance is often associated with the “post-liberal” movement in Catholicism, which seeks to align public policy with Catholic social teaching. He has been a vocal advocate for substantially increasing the child tax credit, negotiating an end to the war in Ukraine, and revitalizing U.S. manufacturing.

Marco Rubio

Age: 53

Office: Secretary of State

Fast facts: Marco Rubio’s disarmingly open faith journey has seen him leave and return to the Catholic Church twice. Known as a rock-ribbed “peace through strength” conservative on foreign policy, Rubio’s aptitude for diplomacy was apparent during the highly publicized ebbs and flows in his public relationship with Donald Trump. Those talents will be tested as he forges American foreign policy in an era of widespread war and geopolitical change. He is set to become the nation’s first Latino to hold the office.

Elise Stefanik

Age: 40

Office: Ambassador to the United Nations

Fast facts: U.S. Rep. Elise Stefanik, R-N.Y., saw her political star rise during congressional hearings in early 2024, during which Stefanik grilled the presidents of Harvard University and the University of Pennsylvania over antisemitism on campus. Both resigned following their encounter. Stefanik, a cradle Catholic who rarely speaks about her faith life, will press for American interests at the U.N., where she will pursue “peace through strength leadership on the world stage.”

Sean Duffy

Age: 53

Office: Secretary of Transportation

Fast facts: Former Wisconsin representative and Fox Business host Sean Duffy, who burst on the public scene in the 1990s on The Real World: Boston, is a practicing and outspoken Catholic. His faith and commitment to his large family was cited as key to his resignation from Congress in 2019, despite remaining a popular figure in Wisconsin. Duffy has vowed to prioritize “excellence, competence, competitiveness and beauty when rebuilding America’s highways, tunnels, bridges and airports.”

John Ratcliffe

Age: 59

Office: Director of the Central Intelligence Agency

Fast facts: John Ratcliffe briefly served as the director of national intelligence during Trump’s first term and is a former congressman. “John Ratcliffe has always been a warrior for truth and honesty with the American public,” Donald Trump said in a statement. Ratcliffe has been strongly critical of Chinese officials and Iran. He also criticized the Biden administration for not providing more intelligence and military aid to Israel, as Catholic News Agency reported.

Abortion and Wokeism

Trump’s vow to erase all vestiges of “wokeism” — which is, roughly speaking, the worldview that prioritizes mutable identity characteristics over biology and divides all individuals into the categories of “oppressor” or “oppressed” — has been widely publicized. This desire has been seen as instrumental in his selection of current Fox News personality Pete Hegseth, a former Army officer, to become the next secretary of defense, for instance.

However, his campaign’s weakened position on the defense of life, which included vice-presidential pick JD Vance’s public support for the availability of abortion pills and his and Vance’s promotion of in-vitro fertilization, as well as his ongoing battles with leaders in the pro-life community over the past year, have largely gone unreported by the mainstream press.

Trump’s waffling over whether to personally vote against Amendment 4 in Florida that would have overturned the state’s six-week abortion ban, further dismayed his pro-life supporters.

The rifts remain larger and the wounds fresher than many realize.

“President Trump is not a pro-life candidate,” Live Action founder Lila Rose said during the campaign. Rose ended up voting for Trump over Kamala Harris.

Eliminate “wokeness.” Part of Trump’s plan to battle “wokeness” is to sign bills or issue executive orders that enforce the biological understanding of sex and gender, outlawing “gender-affirming care” for minors, and withholding federal funds for institutions that actively promote progressive ideologies. “On Day One, I will revoke Joe Biden’s cruel policies on so-called ‘gender-affirming care,’ a process that includes giving kids puberty blockers, mutating their physical appearance, and ultimately performing surgery on minor children,” he said in a video released shortly after his election win. He also vowed to pass a law prohibiting “gender-reassignment surgery” in all 50 states, which would render any hospital or health provider that participates in “chemical or physical mutilation of minor youth” as falling short of federal health and safety standards. As such, they would no longer be eligible for Medicaid and Medicare.

Abortion flip-flop. Trump’s position on abortion as he enters his second term is ambiguous. While he has reaffirmed his personal dislike of abortion, particularly late-term abortion, he has maintained numerous positions that rankle the pro-life community. These include his support for exceptions and accessibility of IVF in every state and his stated refusal to sign a national abortion ban in favor of state’s rights. “I’m not signing a ban, and there is no reason to sign the ban because we’ve gotten what everyone wanted,” Trump said in September in reference to his previous administration’s role in overturning Roe v. Wade and Doe. v. Bolton and returning the abortion issue to the states.


Economy

U.S. voters gave President Donald Trump high marks for his performance on the economy in his first term. At the outset of the COVID-19 pandemic in January 2020, Gallup found that 63% of Americans approved of Trump’s handling of the economy and that Trump received considerably higher grades on the economy from voters than both his predecessor, former President Barack Obama, and his successor, Joe Biden. Trump’s pledge to pursue “America First” economic policies that would lower inflation, raise wages and create jobs was largely credited with catapulting him to victory in November. The policies he has vowed to enact to those ends fall broadly into four categories.

Trade. The centerpiece of Trump’s economic platform is his plan to place a 10% tariff on most imports and 60% or more on Chinese goods. By doing this he aims to increase federal revenues, which would allow the government to reduce income taxes. This, he believes, would ultimately boost the U.S. manufacturing sector by reducing our reliance on foreign goods and restore trade balance with China. Additionally, Trump has threatened Mexico and Canada with 25% tariffs to gain leverage in negotiations over immigration and drug trafficking. Trump has also threatened to penalize companies that move jobs overseas, which could come in the form of tariffs. Critics of the plan, a cohort that includes leading economists from Catholic institutions and economic conservatives, argue that tariffs will only cause consumer prices to spike further and invite global retaliation.

Taxation. Trump plans to extend the tax cuts he signed into law in 2017, which are set to expire in 2025. He has stated a desire to lower the corporate tax rate from 21% to 15% for companies that manufacture in the U.S., lower individual income-tax brackets, and increase the estate-tax exemption. Additionally, in moves that will draw support from the economically progressive left, Trump has vowed to eliminate federal income taxes on tips, Social Security benefits and overtime pay.

Energy. One of Trump’s most common refrains at rallies is his desire for America to “drill, baby, drill!” He has promised to make America’s energy costs the lowest of any industrialized nation by reducing or removing regulations on the energy sector, scrapping the “Green New Deal,” which he calls the “Green New Scam,” and approving new drilling permits offshore and on federal lands.

DOGE. Trump has tapped Elon Musk and entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy to lead the newly minted Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), with the stated goal of finding $2 trillion in government savings. The department will endeavor to identify government waste, oversee layoffs and even shut down entire government agencies.


Foreign Policy

Even before taking his second oath of office, President Trump has been active in shaping U.S. foreign policy. Numerous world leaders have made the trip to Trump’s Florida estate, Mar-a-Lago, and his reception at the reopening of Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris had all the trappings of a presidential visit.

Trump has also availed himself of the bully pulpit of the presidency by proposing that Denmark sell Greenland to the U.S., teasing the acquisition of Canada as the 51st state (he has appeared to take particular delight in referring to former Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau as “Governor Trudeau”), and threatening to assume control of the Panama Canal from Panama.

It is unclear how these expansionist designs fit within the “America First” foreign policy Trump campaigned on, which promised to bring the war in Ukraine to a swift end, increase economic pressure on China, and expand the Abraham Accords to further normalize relations between Israel and Arab states in the Middle East.

Expand the map. Trump’s stated ambition for territorial expansion has taken many off guard, and there is debate regarding his level of seriousness. His open musing about annexing Canada has been widely interpreted as elaborate “trolling” of America’s neighbor to the north. But his targeting of Greenland and the Panama Canal appear to be more serious and strategically sound.

Negotiate peace in Ukraine. Bringing a swift end to the killing in Ukraine is a rare area of agreement between Trump and the Vatican. Trump has repeatedly promised to forge a negotiated peace between Russia and Ukraine. “I would tell Zelenskyy, no more [military aid]. You’ve got to make a deal. I would tell Putin, if you don’t make a deal, we’re going to give [Zelenskyy] a lot,” he said on a Fox News interview. “I will have that settled in 24 hours.”

Increase economic pressure on China. While Trump has signaled ambiguity regarding his willingness to use the U.S. military to defend Taiwan from Chinese aggression, Trump has been vocal about turning up the pressure on China through economic coercion, intensifying efforts against Chinese espionage and imposing restrictions on Chinese ownership of American assets, including farmland and technology.

Expand the Abraham Accords. Trump has signaled a desire to build upon the Abraham Accords, a series of agreements that normalized diplomatic relations between Israel and several Arab states, which he helped negotiate during his first term. Jared Kushner, Trump’s son-in-law and chief negotiator in the Middle East, has said that Saudi Arabia’s inclusion would be a key component of the expansion in hopes of achieving lasting peace and prosperity in the Arab Gulf states.


Immigration

Fixing the broken immigration system of the United States was one of the major issues around which Donald Trump built his 2024 presidential campaign, and signs point to it being the focal point of his next administration.

Trump has vowed to act swiftly — and in ways that could conflict with teachings of the Catholic Church.

Adding to the perception that Trump has a mandate to act boldly on immigration, a newly released AP poll finds that nearly half of Americans say it should be a top priority for the new administration, the highest of any issue by double figures.

Reports indicate that Trump could declare a national emergency on immigration, which would allow his administration, led by his director of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Tom Homan, a Catholic, to bypass congressional appropriations and divert funds from the Department of Defense to tackle the issue.

Ending Birthright Citizenship. Trump has vowed to eliminate the practice of conferring automatic citizenship for individuals born within U.S. territory irrespective of the legal status of their parents. He claims that birthright citizenship acts as a magnet for illegal immigration and has vowed to make restrictions through executive orders. Opponents, including the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB), believe the move would threaten human dignity and create a permanent “underclass” of stateless children. “The Church opposes the repeal of birthright citizenship because it would render innocent children stateless, depriving them of the ability to thrive in their communities and reach their full potential,” the USCCB website reads. Experts maintain that executive actions restricting birthright citizenship will be immediately challenged in court, setting up a Supreme Court decision on the matter.

Mass Deportations. Trump and his team have promised to launch the largest deportation program in U.S. history. The Pew Research Center estimates that 11 million unauthorized immigrants currently reside within the U.S., while Trump’s vice president, JD Vance, believes the number is closer to 25 million. Trump believes that mass deportations will benefit American workers by freeing up jobs and driving up wages. Homan has vowed to target “the worst first” by prioritizing criminals and national security threats. Cardinal Robert McElroy, the new archbishop of Washington, has said that “having a wider indiscriminate massive deportation across the country would be something that would be incompatible with Catholic doctrine.”

Finishing the Border Wall. Throughout the campaign, both Trump and his Democratic Party opponent Kamala Harris promised to continue the border-wall project that began during Trump’s first term, signaling a shift in political will for the project. Harris had previously called the wall a “vanity project” that was “un-American.” Construction of the border wall was halted by Biden in 2021, and materials have been waiting — and rusting — at the border ever since.